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Love everything you wrote. A little history. I have been a part of the Vineyard and attended the Vineyard Bible Institute. Have prayed and ministered to people and am a Pastor myself... ordained with the C&MA and part of them for the past 14 years.

I do have some thoughts of discussion. No doubt the Holy Spirit leads us. As we reflect back on scripture, there are various times as well when they minister to people and as you know does not explicitly state they were led by the Spirit. We can derive Peter and John were led by the Spirit in chapter 3, yet nothing explicitly states such. In Acts, chapter 9 with the two incidents with Peter, it does not state there was a leading of the Spirit. Dr. James Dunn states this in his commentary on the Acts of the Apostles: “the almost invariable manifestation of the Spirit in Acts is inspired speech (2.4; 4.8; 6.10; 10.45–46; 13.2, 9; 18.25; 19.6; 20.23; 21.4, 11), whereas, somewhat surprisingly, the miracles of Acts are never attributed to the Spirit as such (though note 10.38).” And yet I think of Galatians 3:5: “Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?”

Of course, we know the Holy Spirit is behind all things since our new birth (Titus 3:4-7). Yet Dr. Dunn makes a lot of sense. And as we look at the Acts of the Apostles in chapter 3 as an example, we do not really find something so explicitly like, “And Peter being led or having the gift of healing (or miraculous power) said to the man at the temple gate…”

When ministering to people, there is not always time to wait and be led, though of course it is cool (great) when that occurs.

In terms of John 5:19, I do wonder if we have turned that into something more than it is. When you and I read John 5:19, the larger context of that gospel also includes the religious leaders confronting whether Christ was of the Father (equal with God, the Father). It is throughout most of the gospel that we hear, “He is in the Father and the Father is in Him” type of sayings (John 14:10). But as we recall… in John 5:18, they did not like that Christ made Himself equal with the Father. Thus, the words in John 5:19.

John 5:19 is not an indication of limitation… as if Christ could only heal some or only those whom the Father wants or choses. And using the earlier piece of John, is chapter 5 with the other sick folk enough context to support John 5:19? Of course, Christ was not able to get to all literally. But that is why He sends out the twelve and seventy-two to heal, free and minister to people.

So, is it really a matter of “waiting” to see who God wants to heal? Have we added something in there that is not in the greater context of that passage and the context of the New Testament as a whole? If there was a need, Christ or the disciples went and met that need… plain and simple. Jesus was saying He is doing what the Father is doing or would do and not anything contrary. Christ is basically just saying, “I am moved by how strong my Fathers’ love is and I don’t plan on doing anything outside of that.”

In John 5:20, He literally states, “For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does.” Jesus is clearly grateful and marveled with how his Father’s heart is, while even knowing that He, the Son, is of the Trinity.

Yet we must recollect and take into consideration that He as the God/man is also clearly displaying (exemplifying) sonship/daughtership and how it’s supposed to be. Christ is our example. He models for us what this is supposed to be. John 5:21 makes it very succinct and we see the evidence in various healings in the gospels. “For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will.” (John 5:21). Does not Jesus give life (healing and freedom) to many people. Thus, again it does not seem John 5:19 is limitation. Is it also just about leading or again the wider context up above?

I know and it seems some can then state, “there it is, ‘to whom He will’ (v21) without catching the gist of the entire point. The religious leaders are seeking to contradict and dictate what should be done (as we observe throughout scriptures in the gospels) and in many ways what Jesus should be doing. So, these are some thoughts.

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